This was definitely one of the most thrilling podcasts so far as we not only recorded it live from the Phoenix PMA conference we also went all out with a Facebook Live stream! What a blast!

As always Debora brought us a thoughtful and wonderfully rich question about teaching. Inspired by her apprenticeship with Eve Gentry, Debora proposed we explore the idea of “pushing” in our teaching and in our practice.

What does it mean to “push” to be hard? We talked about a variety of dichotomies including push vs reach, push vs allow, hard vs soft, ease vs effort, stiff vs loose, and others. We also heard from multiple teachers on the subject as they told us their personal and professional stories around pushing.

Our conversation was dynamic, fun, a little crazy, and full of insight and inspiration.

Don’t miss a chance to hear what’s going on in the heart of your industry. Listen now.

Or watch the Facebook Live recording here: