Ep: 47 Season 1 Debrief – We: The Movement

So…this episode is…


Totally off the cuff.

Insanely honest.

Thoughtful. Profound. Goofy.

Riddled with lots of juicy language. (Headphones?)

And the three of us being exactly who we are hashing out all of the beautiful ideas that have infiltrated our conversations over the past (47 episodes, what?!) season.

We talk about:

  • Teaching fatigue
  • The sweet value in allowing our focus and passion to shift and change
  • The idea that facilitation and fixing are not antithesis but tools that we alternate between that support one another
  • That change doesn’t happen by doing EVERYTHING differently but in thinking differently
  • Monogamy (mmhm)
  • What it looks like to change the world through movement
  • That we don’t have to be afraid of being the expert but if expertise is the end goal we might have a problem
  • Social change
  • Cheering up
  • And SO, SO, much more.

Bottom line: How do we cultivate a better sense of ourselves so we can help others show up more fully, for whatever they want, in whatever way they desire. Because maybe that’s what it means to be a teacher – to show up and be genuinely interested.

From my perspective, I think this is one of the richest conversations we’ve had to date and I hope very much that you think so too.


{We: The Movement}

The other REALLY exciting part of this podcast is that James, Debora, and I make a HUGE ANNOUNCEMENT about a project we’ve been working on for almost a year. It’s a collaboration and culmination of our deep desire to take what we do as movement teachers and help foster actual social change.

If you’re impatient — like me — you could go straight away to find out what We: The Movement is. Hint: Go to minute 58:08.

We aren’t totally to release HOW We: The Movement will first be tangibly manifested, but you can go HERE to get a better sense of what our vision is for the project.


What’s next for TPP

This is our last episode in our Godzilla-style Season 1 🙂 We will be taking a 2 month break as we improve, plan, digest, and prepare for Season 2.

We are planning for 12-episode seasons, with a continued biweekly release on Wednesdays. So look for Season 2 to begin mid-November.

As our conversation and vision for the podcast continues to evolve, we are reaching out to explorers of not only the body, but also of the human condition. We’re going to be reaching outside of the Pilates community and inviting LOTS of different characters to add their voices.

If you have a recommendation for someone you’d love us to have on, let us know. If you have a topic you’d like us to dig into or a question you want to talk about, let us know. You can connect with us via all the details below…and we HOPE YOU DO!


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Ep: 46 Teacher Debrief – Raising the Volume {Part 2}

Here we are, our second installment of the Teacher Debrief.

A little background if you missed Part 1:

Originally Debora, James and I wanted to do a show that brought just the three of us back together to reflect on and unearth some of what we’d been talking about in the 4-5 most recent episodes.

Due to some strange scheduling we had a gap that we needed to fill, so we decided the perfect solution would be to bring YOU on the show and find out what you thought.

In these two episodes I essentially pose one simple question: Where are we now and where are we going (in many, many more words than that!).

We had such a great turn out (and because managing the time zones can be tricky) we ended up with two recordings. Both are fantastic!

We’re keeping these super simple. Hope you enjoy the exchange. Stay tuned for part two. And let us know what you think!

About Part 2:

This was a more intimate exchange with just four of us and we meander in a few different directions. A big hanks to Claudio Moose of Absolute Center in Lafayette, CA, Janet Sunderland of Soma Pilates in Redmond, WA, and Alison Crouch of Boomerang Pilates in Toronto, ON, for making this such a rich conversation.

We talk about:

  • Bringing students back to innate movement
  • The growing collective energy around “heart-centered” teaching
  • How we can facilitate development at different stages of learning movement (both from the student and teacher perspective
  • Our changing industry
  • The support and growth of the PMA

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Ep 45: Teacher Debrief – Raising the Volume {Part 1}

This was a very fun two-part series where we explored a new concept called the Teacher Debrief. Originally Debora, James and I wanted to do a show that brought just the three of us back together to reflect on and unearth some of what we’d been talking about in the 4-5 most recent episodes.

Due to some strange scheduling we had a gap that we needed to fill, so we decided the perfect solution would be to bring YOU on the show and find out what you thought.

In these two episodes I essentially pose one simple question: Where are we now and where are we going (in many, many more words than that!).

We had such a great turn out (and because managing the time zones can be tricky) we ended up with two recordings. Both are fantastic!

We’re keeping these super simple. Hope you enjoy the exchange. Stay tuned for part two. And let us know what you think!

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  • Chantill – chantill@skillfulteaching.com
    • Phone – (707) 738-7951
  • Debora – dkolwey@gmail.com
  • James – evolvedbody@yahoo.com

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Ep 44: Trina Altman Deconstructed: Making Mistakes + Moving Free

A FULL HOUSE this episode, as Deborah, James, and I all talk to Trina Altman about her past in fashion and finance and her current path as a dynamic movement teacher who refuses (kindly) to be stuck in a tribe-mentality. From her infectious laugh (we like the effusive ones, they make the best drinking buddies – just kidding, but not really), to her super smart approach to movement education , I think we ALL have another “teacher crush” to quote James.

If you like delicious and nerdy dialogue, pushing the edges, and being a critical thinker with an artistic soul you might just LOVE this episode…Duh! Here’s a teaser from Trina:

“I feel as though apparatus base Pilates is the missing link between physical therapy and what is known as general fitness, whether that’s going to the gym or an athletic endeavor, that is underutilized and needs a better PR firm.”

 Trina’s Pro Tip

It’s really fun to deconstruct more complicated Pilates exercises into their component parts to help your students and clients embody the exercise in a new way.

One of my favorite ways to deconstruct the Side Over exercise on the reformer is by changing its orientation to gravity so that there are more closed kinetic chains and tactile feedback.

I have a video of this exercise on my You Tube channel called “The Buoyant Boomerang.” Here’s the link to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR6Gk8KM2Hw

Try it and let me know how it goes! You can find me here: www.trinaaltman.com

If you enjoy deconstructing, I have a two online courses on Fusion Pilates Edu that you might be interested in purchasing:



A Hero From Trina

If you are curious about learning anatomy from a connected holistic perspective then I highly recommend studying with Gil Hedley.


I took his Integral Anatomy Dissection Workshop and I cannot recommend it enough! If you can’t take the 6 day course, check out his shorter courses and definitely follow his musings on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pg/Gil-Hedley-Integral-Anatomy-120301201315055/about/?ref=page_internal

P.S. Just to be clear, I make no money from recommending Gil’s courses.


More about Trina

Trina Altman, E-RYT 500, YACEP, PMA®-CPT, STOTT PILATES® certified instructor, is the creator of Yoga Deconstructed™ and Pilates Deconstructed®, which both take an interdisciplinary approach to foster an embodied understanding of yoga and Pilates and their relationship to modern movement science. She leads teacher trainings in Yoga Tune Up® and the Roll Model® Method locally and internationally.

While at Brown University, Trina took a Kripalu yoga class which ignited her passion for the practice. Emphasizing the importance of inner focus, she teaches anatomy for yoga teacher trainings across the country. She has presented at Kripalu, PURE YOGA® NYC, Cal-a-Vie Spa, SYTAR, the Yoga Alliance Leadership Conference, ECA, UCLA and multiple yoga conferences. Her teaching fosters body cognition and self-discovery, firmly grounded in anatomical awareness.

Trina builds bridges between the mystical and the pragmatic, and specializes in helping others to access their body’s tissues and their heart’s purpose. Trina works out of Los Angeles at Equinox and The Moving Joint. You can find her online classes and courses at www.trinaaltman.com


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Ep 43: Where history, art, and potatoes collide – A lesson w/ Anula Maiberg

James and I are very, VERY excited to be sharing this latest episode of the TTP with you. It’s one of our funniest, most philosophical, intelligent, and wild episodes yet. I think we’ve done it; we’ve gotten everything we could possibly get out of a guest. AND Anula gives A LOT!

Get to know her, her philosophy, her take on Pilates, her history, her thoughts on art history and the parallels between art and Pilates as well as be a part of an deeply moving and lighthearted conversation about what we’re really doing.

One of the things that surprised me most about this conversation was what Anula says at the very end: her suggestion for our episode “here”. Wow! What?! YES! Was essentially my reaction. But since I’d been having that reaction from the second we got on the phone I was also like “Ya, totally. Obvs!”

I think the bottom line is we just keep getting better and it has nothing at all to do with us. Anula brings it all to the table. James is a thoughtful and provocative host (no surprise) and the whole thing just f*cking works!

History. Art. Potatoes.

Nuff said.

Heroes + Pro Tip

Our Hero and Pro Tip are going to be one in the same this episode, both courtesy of Anula.

Prokofiev Straight UP!

“I think everybody in their life should listen to Prokofiev’s ‘Romeo and Juliet’.

Listen on Spotify HERE

Anula’s advice:

Listen to the FULL thing and better yet watch the ballet. And check out Prokofiev’s life HERE. Interesting tid bit: Prokofiev died on March 5th, 1963, the same day as Joseph Stalin.


There was something very moving about this podcast and a book that kept coming to mind while we were chatting. It’s so off beat that I didn’t mention it in the show, but if you have kids maybe you’ve heard of it “Old Turtle and The Broken Truth” by Douglas Wood. There were so many times in our chat with Anula that reminded me of how we only half understand something and base our beliefs on that incomplete truth. It’s a journey, of course, and we are where we are. But what if what we believed right now wasn’t the whole truth? What if we were only some version of wrong (and perhaps we always were going to be)?

If you haven’ tread this book, I’d encourage you to pick it up at a used book store or get it as a Kindle book. It’s beautiful and poignant much like the podcast you’re either about to listen to or have just finished.

More about Anula…


Anula Maiberg, co-owner of Sixth Street Pilates, was born in Israel and moved to NYC in 2001 in order to pursue a career in photography. While working on her degree at the School of Visual Arts she fell in love with Pilates. After college and a few years at a ‘desk’ job she realized happiness wasn’t in front of the computer screen. In 2010 Anula decided to attended the Kane School for Core Integration and was fully certified by Kelly Kane. In 2014 she graduated the Kathy Grant Heritage Training® led by Cara Reeser of Pilates Aligned in Denver. A journey that has led her to a deeper understanding of the Method.

Connect with Anula:

Sixth Street Pilates 
Pilates Anytime

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Ep 42: Self-Practice – The what, why & HOW (that eludes us)

Trinity Minty

Why should our students practice? And how do we get it to happen?

Recent Facebook post:

One of my favorite cohorts, Trinity Grace Minty, and I will be recording an in-depth conversation on self-practice, student autonomy, and self-efficacy tomorrow for the Thinking Pilates Podcast.

We’d like to hear from you on how you work to cultivate these things in your students, in your studio environments, for and with your teachers. We want to know WHY you think it’s important to engage your students in their OWN practice in and out of the studio.

We want to know if you think it’s possible to create a studio program that drives all students toward self-directed practice. Why would you do it? What are the benefits? The drawbacks? The challenges?

WHY aren’t we doing it if it’s the way Joe himself wanted people to do his work? (That’s my opinion and interpretation).

What is your biggest challenge with getting students to self-practice? Whether it’s at home or in the studio, what seems to be the sticking point?

Is it physical, emotional, psychological? Are you afraid of creating students who are independent and don’t rely on you for instruction?

That’s how this conversation started — publicly. Privately, or rather within the snuggly confines of private and small group conversations, studios and conference rooms, we’ve been talking about self-practice for a very long time. For some of us, it probably feels like we’ve been struggling with this question forever. 

Without question the collective “we” has been talking about how to get students to take ownership of their practice for a really long time. Ever since the studio paradigm shifted from: private sessions as a breeding ground for autonomy, to private sessions as THE WAY to practice; from group classes as a way to foster progress and self-efficacy, to group classes becoming the most affordable and therefore sensible place to land, to stop. When did it happen? How did it happen? Who started it?

Who cares.

What we’re exploring is how to get back there, to the place where a teacher’s ultimate goal is to foster ownership, autonomy, and self-efficacy in their students; to make themselves obsolete over time.

In this episode, I’ve invited Innerscape Pilates studio owner, Trinity Minty, to join me in a deep-dive into these questions. Trinity has a unique perspective as she’s spent the last six months creating a studio model solely based on fostering self-practice through her participation in the Science & Psychology of Teaching Master’s Program. Trinity is also the lead mentor for Skillful Teaching.

We cover a lot of ground in our chat from WHAT is Pilates and WHY is it of value (to you/to your students)?  to why these things matter when fostering self-practice in our studio cultures and our students. We look at the HOW of creating autonomous and self-sufficient students. Motivation, fear, desire, clarity of purpose, being explicit, curiosity, programming, discovery… all topics we weave in and around.

Thank you to EVERYONE who contributed their thoughts on this topic and who were willing to voice their ideas so that we might make this conversation even richer.

You can access the thread on Facebook HERE. We would love for you to be a part of this ongoing dialogue! Scroll down to see the email where you can reach us and to share your comments within this post!

Without further ado…enjoy!


Our Hero this episode is a resource that is artful, soulful, and creative.

Twyla Tharp’s The Creative Habit – Learn it and use it for life

It’s been a wonderful tool for me in my own practice and in the work I do through Skillful Teaching, particularly in the 28 Day Fulfilled & Successful Pilates Teacher online course, which is largely based on returning to self-care and self-practice.

One of favorite sections in the book is the Creativity Autobiography, which Tharp uses to help you discover how to practice. She writes, “Another thing about knowing who you are is that you know what you should not be doing, which can save you a lot of heartaches and false starts if you catch it early on.” 

Pro Tip


Our Pro Tip for this episode is how to use the anchor. Anchoring is an idea that comes out of current research on forming habits. When you’re trying to incorporate a new thing into your life, use an anchor to help integrate the new thing easily and with less resistance.

An anchor is some small act that you complete consistently without fail. Good anchors are brushing your teeth, making coffee, taking the kids to school (although tricky in the summer), taking the dog for a walk, meditating…

So, if you want to start stretching in the morning, pick 1-3 stretches and anchor them into making coffee. Every morning as you’re waiting for the coffee to brew, or once you’re drinking your coffee, do your stretches. You have to keep it SMALL and doable. Remember that you are anchoring into a routine, a flow, that has it’s own timing. If you disrupt it too much, the anchor doesn’t work, or you’ll struggle with actually establishing the new thing.

Start with one or two simple things. Examples:

  • Anchor =  brushing your teeth + New Habit = foot rolling
  • Anchor = taking kids to school + New Habit = meditating for 10 minutes (in the car)
  • Anchor = drinking your first glass of water in the morning + New Habit = 5 rounds of sun salutations
  • Anchor = driving to work + New Habit = 5 minute breath practice before getting out of the car

Explore anchoring for yourself for a while and then see how it works with your students.

It’s bound to require some adjusting and correcting course, but stay open to making small righting actions and maintain your diligence to the “practicing” of your new habit. It takes time. Practice is practice, you’ve got to work on it.



We’d also like to share a little more about Trinity with you.


My approach to teaching Pilates is one of offering my students a framework to take ownership of the work. When Joseph Pilates opened his “gymnasium” on 8th Street in New York City, the practice worked in a way that the students came to him for one-on-one sessions, moved into a group class, then came to the studio to self-practice. This program model creates the opportunity for you to not only problem solve in your own body, but truly listen to your inner teacher, making their ah-ha moments and progress that much richer!
Innerscape Pilates is a self-practice studio equipped with 3 studio reformers, 3 Wunda chairs, three Springboards and three mat spaces. I’ve created a framework for each one-on-one session that drives you toward autonomy, self-efficacy and self-practice both in and out of the studio, using simple, powerful, research-based motivation techniques, benchmarking and student-centered teaching as tools to track progress.

It is with great honor that I’m here to share this highly-potent form of whole-person conditioning with you, bringing compassion, curiosity, humility and humor to each interaction.

  • Comprehensive training through Balanced Body
  • PMA (Pilates Method Alliance) Certified
  • Skillful Teaching Mentor – An International Pilates Education Company



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    • Phone – (707) 738-7951
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Ep 41: Unraveling Pilates mythology with Wendy Leblanc-Arbuckle

What an absolute thrill it was to make this podcast! In episode 41 we are talking to Wendy Leblanc-Arbuckle, a dear and wonderful human being and a consummate contributor to the Pilates, yoga, and movement industries. If I were going to choose one way to describe Wendy it would be a movement astronaut; she’s not only ALWAYS curious, she’s actually always exploring, pushing the edges, going to the far reaches of understanding the body, the mind, and the beautiful configuration of all of it as it manifests in our lives. Wendy is a true pioneer in our industry and if you’re not a fan already, you’re likely to be after this.

We’re talking about the heart of teaching: practice. Posing questions like:

  • How does our own personal “practice” feed and inform our choices in life and our perceptions.
  • What does our “practice” look like? Why?
  • How has it changed and why? What have been the catalysts?
  • Why does it matter to us and to others (those we interact both personally and professionally)?
  • How does our “practice” perpetuate (or not) the way we teach: moving from the fixing mentality to the facilitating mentality.

What’s also really rather magical about this podcast, is that it’s our first trifecta co-hosting with Debora, James, and myself, along with a guest. Although James and I wanted to jump in and interrupt with questions and ideas at every turn, we managed to maintain a level of considerate decorum and uphold the listenability of the show. I know your’e going to love this episode. Grab some popcorn and/or a cup of tea (maybe wine), sit back, and take it all in. It’s going to be a wonderful ride. 


From Wendy:

Dr. Jean-Claude Guimberteau’s  book “Architecture of Human Living Fascia” and his DVD’s and videos online.


Pro Tip

Also from Wendy…

Either lying down on a mat, or sitting up, sense where you can sense feel the weight of your body resting down through your sitting bones (sitting) or throughout your spine, back, head and feet (lying).   

Rather than “controlling your body’s breath”, practice being in touch with your “fascial elastic recoil breath”…the natural, cascading massage of your bones, muscles, internal organs and  rhythmic orchestration of your body’s fluid movement.  Allow your breathing body to guide you, by placing one hand on your low belly, and the other hand on your low ribs.  

Notice that you can “allow” the relaxation toward center (a natural squeeze) of your ribs, as though they have weight,  as you EXHALE, then just “allow” your natural, expansive INHALE, through your nose,  (without “making it happen”), which opens your throat and back to breath.   

Can you “sense” your natural EXHALE, which is a “fascial release” deep within your body, that can open your hips and soften and widen your chest, neck, jaw and eyes… from your pelvic floor to your palate.

 If you have a challenge sensing this, don’t make yourself “wrong”, it’s just “what’s missing” that you can discover and explore how to access.


Wendy’s Bio:

Wendy is an International leader in embodied movement, with a 40 year background in holistic health, and lifelong studies and collaborations with distinguished pioneers in yoga, Pilates, Structural Integration bodywork, somatic arts and sciences, dynamic breath work and energy medicine.

As Director of Pilates Center of Austin for the past 25 years, Wendy  studied originally with Romana Kryzanowska and then with Kathy Grant, Ron Fletcher, Mary Bowen and Lolita San Miguel…Pilates Elders who studied directly with Joseph Pilates.  She has been deeply inspired by the diversity of their teaching expressions.  Additionally, her extensive yoga background,  along with studies with Bonnie Bainbridge Cohen, Emilie Conrad, Susan Harper, Judith Aston, Tom Myers, The Guild for Structural Integration,  Hubert Godard,  Phillip Beach and Jaap van der Wal,  with profound breath, fascial biotensegrity, embryology and ontological studies, helped Wendy cultivate her own “biointelligent” voice.  Her vision has been to illuminate the universal core principles that underlie all great bodymind practices, enabling students and practitioners of any discipline to discover their wholeness by cultivating their own voice, through the portal and brilliant guidance of their biointelligent wisdom.

A founding member of the Pilates Method Alliance (PMA), the Fascia Research Society and International Association of Structural Integrators, (IASI) she was on the original role delineation committee for the creation of the PMA exam, is a PMA-CPT, a presenter for Pilates Anytime and FusionPilatesEDU , and honored to be a Second Generation Mentor in Balanced Body’s Passing the Torch Mentoring Program, and a Wellsprings of Continuum Practitioner.


Upcoming Workshops & Learning Opportunities With Wendy

  • July 29th & 30th, 2017
    Embodying your Living Architecture…
    Through the Portal of the 3Core Connections® Embodied Perspective
    The Mind-Body Institute Gen-Do | With Yuki Yoshii
    Walnut Creek, California
    More Info
  • September 23rd to October 1st, 2017
    Fribourg, Switzerland | With Iva Mazzoleni Macherel
    Strasbourg, France | With Katia Hammouche
    Workshops to be offered:

    • Embodying Your Living Architecture…Through the Portal of the 3Core Connections Embodied Perspective
    • Teaching CORE to CORE…An Embodied Approach to Seeing, Sensing, and Cueing Movement Awareness
    • Cultivating Your Embodied Primordial Midline: Abdominal…Psoas…Diaphragm Balance
    • Upper Core Awareness: Free Your Neck…Free Your Whole Body
    • Journey to the Advanced Pilates Work…Advanced Thinking for a Vital Life

More Info: katia hammouche studio.pilates.strasbourg@gmail.com OR
Iva Mazzolni | Pilates Alliance iva@pilates-alliance.ch

  • October 26th, 2017 11am – 1pm
    2017 | 17th Annual Meeting of the
    Pilates Method Alliance | Wendy Presenting
    Embodied Pilates workshop…
    More Info
  • Ongoing
    Wendy’s yearlong Passing the Torch Mentoring Program is now open for registration…maximum 6 practitioners…4 spaces available for 2018-2019 program
    More Info

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Ep 40: Nikki Naab-Levy – A fresh conversation on “Body Diversity”

Ep 40 Nikki Naab-Levy

Nikki describes herself as a kind of interpreter of ideas in the movement community; someone who looks at all that’s out there and helps others make sense of it, how it fits, and how it supports us as movers and professionals who teach movement.

When I was exploring Nikki’s website and podcast there was one line that jumped out at me that will give you a pretty good sense of this chic. She writes: “You know when your mind says yes but your body says hell no? It’s frustrating! I’ve been there too, I totally get it and I’m here to tell you that it doesn’t have to be this hard!”

I think you’re really going to enjoy this conversation between me, James and Nikki, especially because the subject of body and movement diversity is something James is a huge proponent and promoter of in his studio and his work. So, let’s meet Nikki…


Both our Heroes and Pro Tip come directly from Nikki this episode. 

Many of the shifts I’ve made in cuing at letting people feel things, has come from studying under Judith Aston for the past year and a half. She often speaks to “teaching from the yes” and it’s shifted my mindset from right and wrong ways to do things to movement options.

On the empowering people to feel good in their bodies end, I’d def give a shoutout to Molly Galbraith and Girls Gone Strong. They’re more on the heavy lifting side of things, but that org is all about having conversations about how we can bring more people to fitness and how we can empower women to feel they have the right to love and take care of themselves.

Pro Tip

From Nikki…

When you’re struggling with the idea of putting yourself out there or using a new teaching technique, the best way to get started is simply to start – preferably with a small action slightly outside of your comfort zone.

This doesn’t need to be a huge bold action. It doesn’t need to be perfect and there doesn’t need to be a beautifully drawn road map (which doesn’t exist and won’t be followed anyways). Small, consistent steps in the direction of where we want to go + patience is enough for us to grow into the people we want to be and create the shifts we desire.


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Ep 39: Cognitive overload – A trap laid with best intentions.

Welcome to Episode 39…another wonderful exploration with James Crader. We’re just so damn excited to have him as a part of the team…the conversations we’ve had on and off recording have been incredibly rich, stirring up all kinds of edgy and fun topics we can’t wait to share with you.

In this episode James and I use one of his recent articles titled: “What They’re really saying is…”, which we’ve linked to in the show notes. In the article James shares a teaching experience, perhaps you’d even call it an epiphany, and it has everything to do with listening to what are students are NOT telling us, what they’re NOT saying.

We dive into some really cool stuff I’ve been exploring this past year including: how the brain learns, cognitive overload, and top-down vs. bottom-up processing. There are some really great ideas in this episode…AND of course, lots of laughs. We hope you enjoy listening. 

Don’t hesitate to get in touch with us! We want to hear from you. All the ways in which you can reach us are below…



Our hero for this episode is Dr. Dan Siegel, author of the book “Mindsight.” Dr. Siegel is a is a clinical professor of psychiatry at the UCLA School of Medicine and the founding co-director of the Mindful Awareness Research Center at UCLA. He is also the Executive Director of the Mindsight Institute.

Among other topics, Dr. Siegel explores mindfulness, the mind and brain and interpersonal neurobiology. His work is relevant to us as teachers because it helps us understand another aspect of the human experience as well as the depth of how we form relationships with our bodies, ourselves, and the world.

Dr. Siegel’s work has made a significant impression on both James and I and we hope you enjoy exploring it for yourself.

Other books by Siegel that you might enjoy: Mind, Healing Trauma, The Mindful Brain.

Pro Tip


Our Pro Tip for this episode is to play with Open Questions. 

This may not seem like a very unique idea, but open questions, are a significant part of many coaching and therapeutic methods that not allows a practitioner to extrapolate information from a student’s own insights and internal experiences, but helps the teacher to shift from the perspective of needing to know, to being comfortable not knowing; shifting the priority to curiosity and listening rather than problem solving and fixing.

Open questions are a critical part of a method called Motivational Interviewing and used to help a person discover for themselves the truth of their situation; to become more aware of their current state, their motivations, and space between where they are and where they want to go.

Open questions, are just what they sound like: NOT yes or no questions. They’re questions that evoke a thoughtful response.

Scenario: When you’re student is struggling with achieving a movement, instead of cueing them to correct, try asking questions like:

  1. How could you do x differently?
  2. Can you tell me what x feels like right now as you push out/pull in/roll back et cetera.?
  3. Pause for a moment, and rest. Can you tell me where you’re feeling the strongest sensation? (You could direct their attention to an area of the body for more specific inquiry and insight.)
  4. How would you describe what it feels like to x (roll back, roll up, curl up, push down… ).
  5. If you could choose one word to describe how this movement feels, what would it be?

These open questions empower the student to feel their experience rather than think their experience. Feeling experience — felt sense — can be a much more powerful guide for a student when developing new strategies. It allows the strategies to arise out of the current state of the body rather than to be manufactured based on some string of things they have to DO.

This kind of questioning promotes bottom-up processing rather than top-down. Open questions can help us bypass cognitive overload (CO) AND shift out of CO. When a student is experiencing CO, they stop processing, they stop listening, they stop being able to feel and it often triggers other fears: “I’m not capable. I’m not good/smart/fit enough to do this.” And more.

Open questions allow us to reframe the movement experience and shift the “authoring” of the work from us to them. We’re not in charge. We’re just witnessing and nudging.

How can you nudge your students toward a more bottom-up experience using open questions?

Your mission, should you choose to accept it:

Next time you’re inclined to cue your student out of trouble, DON’T! Instead ask an open question. Keep it simple. See if you can get them to author their own experience; to notice what’s really happening within them and allow that to lead them.

Can’t wait to hear how this goes! Share with us via email or the comments below!



Evolved Body Blog by James Crader as referred to in this podcast:

“What They’re Really Saying Is…”

“Why I Don’t Teach Fitness”

And we want to bring you back around to Vanessa Rodriguez’ book “The Teaching Brain” as she dives pretty deeply into the topics we’ve broached in this podcast.


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Reach us Individually

  • Chantill – chantill@skillfulteaching.com
    • Phone – (707) 738-7951
  • Debora – dkolwey@gmail.com
  • James – evolvedbody@yahoo.com

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Ep 38: Down the rabbit hole with James Crader – Developing presence and other delightful nonsense

jamesToday is a good day. Today you get to experience the continued brilliance of James Crader, but this time as an official co-host of the Thinking Pilates Podcast. Join me and James every other episode as we explore another parallel thread to being and thinking within the Pilates Method.

It’s total shenanigans (obviously) AND such a rich exploration of our role and responsibility as people in our current culture and teachers in the movement profession.

This first episode is a bit of a teaser where we talk about how we came together, how James and Debora met and the coalescence of the three of us. We also give you some ideas about what we’re going to be talking about including:

  • developing presence in teaching
  • developing presence in life
  • the value of stopping and checking in re:
    • what do we really feel
    • what do we really think
    • what’s important to us
    • what’s motivating us at any given moment
  • attuning to personal wisdom in the body
  • how to cultivate awareness of self mentally, emotionally, physically
  • the difference between the qualities of feeling in the body, mind states and emotional states
    • pleasant
    • unpleasant
    • neutral
  • how to become aware of change
    • change as not always pleasant
  • inviting students to “know” for themselves
  • the language of movement
    • the interpretation of movement and who’s interpretation is it (whose is more important the teacher’s or student’s?)
  • and so much more…

We hope you’ll enjoy this addition to the TPP!



You are our hero for this podcast and we want to HEAR FROM YOU! We want you to send us your comments and questions. We want you to be ON THE PODCAST with us. We want you to share your heroes with us.

This is your official call to action! We’d like to feature one teacher comment or question each episode and we’d love it to be you. You can email us or submit your questions via the form below.

Pro Tip

What would it be like to not cue anything technical – one time with one student? Just one session?

We’d like to invite you, as the teacher, as well as your student, to simply observe the pacing, the strategy in the moment, what feels comfortable and uncomfortable, and to be present with what’s taking place rather than trying to change what’s taking place.

You can direct your attention to the overall quality of movement, moments of hesitancy, facial expressions, resistance of any kind, body language, and moments of success and pleasure.

You can direct your student’s attention by having them verbalize what they’re experiencing both mentally and physically.

Can you take it all at face value?

We’d love to know how this goes for you.



Evolved Body Blog by James Crader

“It’s Not a Weak Glute…It’s a Weak Relationship With The Glutes.”

“What They’re Really Saying Is…”

Thoughtful Reading:  The Art of Stillness  by Pico Iyer

Connect With Us

Reach us Individually

  • Chantill – chantill@skillfulteaching.com
    • Phone – (707) 738-7951
  • Debora – dkolwey@gmail.com
  • James – evolvedbody@yahoo.com

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